Comments on: And on the Seventh Day, He Bitchslapped them: A Manifesto in Rant Form http://tleaves.com/2004/01/30/and-on-the-seventh-day-he-bitchslapped-them-a-manifesto-in-rant-form/ Creativity x Technology Sat, 17 Mar 2012 05:09:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: monty http://tleaves.com/2004/01/30/and-on-the-seventh-day-he-bitchslapped-them-a-manifesto-in-rant-form/comment-page-1/#comment-42 monty Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:05:07 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=17#comment-42 I presume by "Creationist" you actually mean "Young Earth Creationist", who is a very recent arrival to the cosmological discussion. The vast majority of those who believe in a created universe do not hold to that theory (and in fact anyone who has taken even a cursory glance at geology can undermine it with a few simple questions). The much wider discussion which acknowledges an ancient earth and universe is not one US citizens have had much exposure to, as your Christian countrymen seem to excel at majoring on minor and hamstrung issues, yet 100 years ago it was the only "Creationism" in the argument. In that, I truly feel for you. But if you are going to hold such vehement and impassioned opinions (itself a warning sign to you), you should read the other side of the argument as well. And not just in books written by those you agree with. You will have to look a bit further afield than the superficial (and comfortably inane) writings of the modern evangelical scientism, however. After all, the truth has nothing to fear from a good argument (ie. polemic) - if it is indeed the truth. I presume by “Creationist” you actually mean “Young Earth Creationist”, who is a very recent arrival to the cosmological discussion. The vast majority of those who believe in a created universe do not hold to that theory (and in fact anyone who has taken even a cursory glance at geology can undermine it with a few simple questions). The much wider discussion which acknowledges an ancient earth and universe is not one US citizens have had much exposure to, as your Christian countrymen seem to excel at majoring on minor and hamstrung issues, yet 100 years ago it was the only “Creationism” in the argument.

In that, I truly feel for you. But if you are going to hold such vehement and impassioned opinions (itself a warning sign to you), you should read the other side of the argument as well. And not just in books written by those you agree with. You will have to look a bit further afield than the superficial (and comfortably inane) writings of the modern evangelical scientism, however.

After all, the truth has nothing to fear from a good argument (ie. polemic) – if it is indeed the truth.

]]> By: peterb http://tleaves.com/2004/01/30/and-on-the-seventh-day-he-bitchslapped-them-a-manifesto-in-rant-form/comment-page-1/#comment-41 peterb Sun, 01 Feb 2004 00:08:54 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=17#comment-41 Wow, great post. No, actually I don't keep up with Usenet much nowadays, and always avoided the talk.* tree on the theory that it was just begging for Deep Hurting. But, of course, Andy is right! Our language differs, but clearly we are kindred spirits. Feel free to point him towards my post if you want. Thanks for the pointer! (also, I have no point here, I just like saying "Dave Wrongbeck") Wow, great post. No, actually I don’t keep up with Usenet much nowadays, and always avoided the talk.* tree on the theory that it was just begging for Deep Hurting.

But, of course, Andy is right! Our language differs, but clearly we are kindred spirits. Feel free to point him towards my post if you want.

Thanks for the pointer!

(also, I have no point here, I just like saying “Dave Wrongbeck”)

]]> By: PZ Myers http://tleaves.com/2004/01/30/and-on-the-seventh-day-he-bitchslapped-them-a-manifesto-in-rant-form/comment-page-1/#comment-40 PZ Myers Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:01:40 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=17#comment-40 Do you read talk.origins, by any chance? Your comment reminded me of something Andy Groves wrote recently: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=991ea4ae.0401301400.d1ed621%40posting.google.com. It's true. You really have to be incredibly stupid and warped by miseducation to be a creationist. Do you read talk.origins, by any chance? Your comment reminded me of something Andy Groves wrote recently: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=991ea4ae.0401301400.d1ed621%40posting.google.com.

It’s true. You really have to be incredibly stupid and warped by miseducation to be a creationist.

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