Comments on: In Defense of Starbucks http://tleaves.com/2005/03/28/in-defense-of-starbucks/ Creativity x Technology Sat, 17 Mar 2012 05:09:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Guardian Unlimited: Newsblog http://tleaves.com/2005/03/28/in-defense-of-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1153 Guardian Unlimited: Newsblog Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:36:14 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=339#comment-1153 <strong>How to keep your town weird</strong> Gabrielle Procter writes: Residents of Exeter, the most clone-like town in Britain, according to the New Economics Foundation, might do well to look to their American counterpart in Louisville for guidance. Alarmed by the spread of chain stores and the... How to keep your town weird

Gabrielle Procter writes: Residents of Exeter, the most clone-like town in Britain, according to the New Economics Foundation, might do well to look to their American counterpart in Louisville for guidance. Alarmed by the spread of chain stores and the…

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By: Amos the Poker Cat http://tleaves.com/2005/03/28/in-defense-of-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1152 Amos the Poker Cat Mon, 09 May 2005 00:29:39 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=339#comment-1152 Like alot of people stuck in PIT, I have to hit the road, (or the air) early, and often, to have employment with fair market level compensation. I have driven the 1500 miles between Denver, and PIT, more times than I have fingers and toes, even the 24 of a mutated cat. I now concider the Starbucks in Colby, KS, Exit 53 on I-70 to be an oasis. I have asked people that as SB fans, what is the attraction? Men, say, "no surprises". They are generally risk adverse types. There is also the type that is just too busy to seek out anything, even if it is on the way. Creatures of mindless habit. Women have a favorite pseudo milkshake. 'Nuff said. For my on the road wifi, I prefer Kinkos to Starbucks. Quieter, and I can bring in better coffee. Like alot of people stuck in PIT, I have to hit the road, (or the air) early, and often, to have employment with fair market level compensation. I have driven the 1500 miles between Denver, and PIT, more times than I have fingers and toes, even the 24 of a mutated cat. I now concider the Starbucks in Colby, KS, Exit 53 on I-70 to be an oasis.

I have asked people that as SB fans, what is the attraction? Men, say, “no surprises”. They are generally risk adverse types. There is also the type that is just too busy to seek out anything, even if it is on the way. Creatures of mindless habit. Women have a favorite pseudo milkshake. ‘Nuff said.

For my on the road wifi, I prefer Kinkos to Starbucks. Quieter, and I can bring in better coffee.

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By: a. http://tleaves.com/2005/03/28/in-defense-of-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1151 a. Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:21:51 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=339#comment-1151 Here's evidence that Starbucks' consistency will soon become even MORE consistent. "Starbucks [is moving] to automated espresso machines that tamp and pour espresso shots on their own, leaving the Starbucks barista to just push a button and steam some milk. Lara Wyss, a spokeswoman for Starbucks, said an automatic machine would soon be in each of the company's 6,800 American stores." (from http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/16/national/16coffee.html?8hpib) I think it's fair to predict the mediocrity will sink a step or two with this. Here’s evidence that Starbucks’ consistency will soon become even MORE consistent.

“Starbucks [is moving] to automated espresso machines that tamp and pour espresso shots on their own, leaving the Starbucks barista to just push a button and steam some milk. Lara Wyss, a spokeswoman for Starbucks, said an automatic machine would soon be in each of the company’s 6,800 American stores.”
(from http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/16/national/16coffee.html?8hpib)

I think it’s fair to predict the mediocrity will sink a step or two with this.

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By: egronke http://tleaves.com/2005/03/28/in-defense-of-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1150 egronke Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:17:39 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=339#comment-1150 Well, here in the land of coffee and beer (portland, OR), I much prefer catering to the local coffee merchants than starbucks if only to keep the money in the community. There is a funny story about a local starbucks here that opened up about a block away from a local, employee run coffee shop called "The Red and Black Cafe". (We call it the communist coffee shop but more on that later). Well, less than a day before the starbucks opened, a piece of concrete was thrown through the big picture glass window at starbucks. Nobody was ever apprehended, but the t-shirt that is now sold at the Red and Black, stating "Just a stone's throw from Starbucks" is selling quite well (and hiya pete) Well, here in the land of coffee and beer (portland, OR), I much prefer catering to the local coffee merchants than starbucks if only to keep the money in the community.

There is a funny story about a local starbucks here that opened up about a block away from a local, employee run coffee shop called
“The Red and Black Cafe”. (We call it the communist coffee shop but more on that later).

Well, less than a day before the starbucks opened, a piece of concrete was thrown through the big picture glass window at starbucks.

Nobody was ever apprehended, but the t-shirt that is now sold at the Red and Black, stating “Just a stone’s throw from Starbucks” is selling quite well

(and hiya pete)

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By: Martin of Borg http://tleaves.com/2005/03/28/in-defense-of-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1149 Martin of Borg Thu, 07 Apr 2005 05:07:07 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=339#comment-1149 >> Everyone loves to hate Starbucks. >> You can understand why: they're everywhere, they're successful, and the experience from store to store is so consistent that they destroy even the pretense of local flavor. No, the reason I hate Starbucks is because they are tricking millions of people into forking over their cold hard cash for something that is overpriced and unnecessary. :-) >> Everyone loves to hate Starbucks.
>> You can understand why: they’re everywhere, they’re successful, and the experience from store to store is so consistent that they destroy even the pretense of local flavor.

No, the reason I hate Starbucks is because they are tricking millions of people into forking over their cold hard cash for something that is overpriced and unnecessary. :-)

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By: Earl http://tleaves.com/2005/03/28/in-defense-of-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1148 Earl Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:26:34 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=339#comment-1148 Interesting point-of-view. I have my own contrarian take on Starbucks, for another reason. I remember back in 1999 or so when there was a lot of pressure on Starbucks from activists on the left to offer fair-trade coffee. And then one day, they decided to. For all that liberals focus on supporting local businesses, you can't help but appreciate how with one centralized decision fair-trade coffee was made available at thousands of new venues. How long has it taken for the same number of independent cafes to also do so? Interesting point-of-view.

I have my own contrarian take on Starbucks, for another reason. I remember back in 1999 or so when there was a lot of pressure on Starbucks from activists on the left to offer fair-trade coffee. And then one day, they decided to. For all that liberals focus on supporting local businesses, you can’t help but appreciate how with one centralized decision fair-trade coffee was made available at thousands of new venues. How long has it taken for the same number of independent cafes to also do so?

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By: Renee http://tleaves.com/2005/03/28/in-defense-of-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1147 Renee Tue, 05 Apr 2005 01:27:47 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=339#comment-1147 When I was a kid there were Howard Johnson's all over the place and I know my parents stopped at them on road trips because they could depend on the food. A big deal when fast food chains were less ubiquitous. Starbucks is the same. I may call it the evil empire, but bless it if I'm in a strange airport first thing in the morning. When I was a kid there were Howard Johnson’s all over the place and I know my parents stopped at them on road trips because they could depend on the food. A big deal when fast food chains were less ubiquitous.

Starbucks is the same. I may call it the evil empire, but bless it if I’m in a strange airport first thing in the morning.

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By: Jeff http://tleaves.com/2005/03/28/in-defense-of-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1146 Jeff Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:27:46 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=339#comment-1146 Their coffee tastes like crap!!! Plain and simple. Maybe if it tasted decent I might agree on some points with you but... it just crap! Sorry but crap is crap and it IS CRAP! Their coffee tastes like crap!!! Plain and simple. Maybe if it tasted decent I might agree on some points with you but… it just crap! Sorry but crap is crap and it IS CRAP!

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By: john http://tleaves.com/2005/03/28/in-defense-of-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1145 john Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:58:32 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=339#comment-1145 There is one other thing about starbucks, which is perhaps only important to people like me who travel all the time, but almost never to the same place, and for whom wifi is like oxygen. Starbucks will let you, for a $1.50 cup of admittedly imperfect coffee, use it as an internet cafe. When I want good coffee, I make it at home or seek out a true coffeeshop. When I need caffeine and wifi on the road, I seek out a starbucks. It beats sitting in a kinkos, a hotel business center, and just about anything else that is predictably available. NOW - if there's a funky local coffeeshop with wifi, I would obviously check in there and not starbucks. Unfortunately those funky local coffeeshops frequently don't exist outside of major cities, and when they do, they somehow don't seem capable of making themselves easily findable or listing themselves on the web (much less listing themselves as wifi hotspots). All's it takes is a good ADSL line, a cheap wireless router, and fifteen minutes of HTML and people like me would be there over starbucks. Ah well. carry on. There is one other thing about starbucks, which is perhaps only important to people like me who travel all the time, but almost never to the same place, and for whom wifi is like oxygen.

Starbucks will let you, for a $1.50 cup of admittedly imperfect coffee, use it as an internet cafe. When I want good coffee, I make it at home or seek out a true coffeeshop. When I need caffeine and wifi on the road, I seek out a starbucks. It beats sitting in a kinkos, a hotel business center, and just about anything else that is predictably available.

NOW – if there’s a funky local coffeeshop with wifi, I would obviously check in there and not starbucks. Unfortunately those funky local coffeeshops frequently don’t exist outside of major cities, and when they do, they somehow don’t seem capable of making themselves easily findable or listing themselves on the web (much less listing themselves as wifi hotspots). All’s it takes is a good ADSL line, a cheap wireless router, and fifteen minutes of HTML and people like me would be there over starbucks. Ah well.

carry on.

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By: peterb http://tleaves.com/2005/03/28/in-defense-of-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1144 peterb Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:45:56 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=339#comment-1144 The security code is courtesy MT Captcha, which is available here: http://james.seng.cc/archives/000145.html. I don't know why you're seeing that error message (it works OK for me), but if you'll send mail to blog - at - tgr.com letting me know what platform (OS and browser) you're using, and also whether you're going through a web proxy, I'll try to reproduce the problem and then fix it. The security code is courtesy MT Captcha, which is available here: http://james.seng.cc/archives/000145.html. I don’t know why you’re seeing that error message (it works OK for me), but if you’ll send mail to blog – at – tgr.com letting me know what platform (OS and browser) you’re using, and also whether you’re going through a web proxy, I’ll try to reproduce the problem and then fix it.

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