Comments on: The PC is Dead, Long Live the PC http://tleaves.com/2005/12/20/the-pc-is-dead-long-live-the-pc/ Creativity x Technology Sat, 17 Mar 2012 05:09:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Will http://tleaves.com/2005/12/20/the-pc-is-dead-long-live-the-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-2249 Will Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:32:31 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=529#comment-2249 knight37 is a real man; no, seriously. He talks sense. knight37 is a real man; no, seriously. He talks sense.

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By: psu http://tleaves.com/2005/12/20/the-pc-is-dead-long-live-the-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-2248 psu Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:46:00 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=529#comment-2248 I wouldn't mind a shared infrastructure for my multiple machines... no one has really built the right thing yet, but the wall of ipod NASD can only be a matter of time. I should have left my musing about this in the article. But it didn't fit. I wouldn’t mind a shared infrastructure for my multiple machines… no one has really built the right thing yet, but the wall of ipod NASD can only be a matter of time.

I should have left my musing about this in the article. But it didn’t fit.

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By: Robert 'Groby' Blum http://tleaves.com/2005/12/20/the-pc-is-dead-long-live-the-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-2247 Robert 'Groby' Blum Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:35:27 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=529#comment-2247 Note - I'm not advocating the general purpose machine. I see value in separating different functions. But it *is* a huge drain on resources, it generates extra waste, and has the potential to make life more complex. What I want are loosely coupled devices. There's no reason not to share the HD between my music, my videos, my games, and my documents. There's no reason not to share CPU time for most applications. (Except games and video encoding). There's no reason not to share I/O. Separation by components, and keeping the components and their interface simple is where the future lies. (At least I believe so) And the technology is almost there - I can set up my entire household to communicate wirelessly, I can control most devices through a web browser, and so on. In other word - multiple devices are good if we can avoid unnecessary duplication. (Let me just mention power supplies here...) Note – I’m not advocating the general purpose machine. I see value in separating different functions.

But it *is* a huge drain on resources, it generates extra waste, and has the potential to make life more complex. What I want are loosely coupled devices.

There’s no reason not to share the HD between my music, my videos, my games, and my documents. There’s no reason not to share CPU time for most applications. (Except games and video encoding). There’s no reason not to share I/O.

Separation by components, and keeping the components and their interface simple is where the future lies. (At least I believe so)

And the technology is almost there – I can set up my entire household to communicate wirelessly, I can control most devices through a web browser, and so on.

In other word – multiple devices are good if we can avoid unnecessary duplication. (Let me just mention power supplies here…)

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By: knight37 http://tleaves.com/2005/12/20/the-pc-is-dead-long-live-the-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-2246 knight37 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:57:45 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=529#comment-2246 You can take away my general purpose PC when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. I don't want a device for email, a device for games, and a device for watching videos. If it were up to me, all my console games would have been released for my PC and I would play them all from there. The only reason I bought an Xbox and a GameCube and a Playstation 2 is because there are good games that are ONLY available on those platforms. Had they all be released on the PC, I wouldn't need those "toys". I also disagree that PC is that complex to set up and use. Sure, there can be some occasional compatibility issues, but it's pretty darn rare. Since my last two PC's I've only ever enountered a handful of problems and those I did encounter were due to stupid copy protection nonsense that didn't work well with my particular hardware because it did things that are out-of-spec for a CD drive. I think it's fine for people who want a simple machine that works, they can buy consoles and be happy. Those of us who expect a bit more out of a device will stick with general purpose PC's, thank you very much. You can take away my general purpose PC when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. I don’t want a device for email, a device for games, and a device for watching videos. If it were up to me, all my console games would have been released for my PC and I would play them all from there. The only reason I bought an Xbox and a GameCube and a Playstation 2 is because there are good games that are ONLY available on those platforms. Had they all be released on the PC, I wouldn’t need those “toys”. I also disagree that PC is that complex to set up and use. Sure, there can be some occasional compatibility issues, but it’s pretty darn rare. Since my last two PC’s I’ve only ever enountered a handful of problems and those I did encounter were due to stupid copy protection nonsense that didn’t work well with my particular hardware because it did things that are out-of-spec for a CD drive.

I think it’s fine for people who want a simple machine that works, they can buy consoles and be happy. Those of us who expect a bit more out of a device will stick with general purpose PC’s, thank you very much.

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By: Thomas http://tleaves.com/2005/12/20/the-pc-is-dead-long-live-the-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-2245 Thomas Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:29:57 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=529#comment-2245 Tim makes a really good point. I still enjoy PC games when I can, but it seems like the cost required is a little out of hand. I am a huge fan of multi-purpose gadgets, however, when used properly. The PocketPC, for example, is an incredibly useful digital swiss army knife. Tim makes a really good point. I still enjoy PC games when I can, but it seems like the cost required is a little out of hand.

I am a huge fan of multi-purpose gadgets, however, when used properly. The PocketPC, for example, is an incredibly useful digital swiss army knife.

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By: CorvusE http://tleaves.com/2005/12/20/the-pc-is-dead-long-live-the-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-2244 CorvusE Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:19:45 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=529#comment-2244 I'm still chuckling over the fact that Google has seen fit to place ads for high end gaming PCs on this post. I’m still chuckling over the fact that Google has seen fit to place ads for high end gaming PCs on this post.

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By: Tim! http://tleaves.com/2005/12/20/the-pc-is-dead-long-live-the-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-2243 Tim! Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:14:15 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=529#comment-2243 I started coming around to this idea the day that I noticed that my PC is too slow to run the latest games at optimal quality, yet I can have enough windows open to fill two monitors worth of screen real estate and never go over 40% processor use. My general purpose machine is so good at everything except for the latest games that it's going to be very hard for me to justify buying a new one when I can just get a new Xbox or whatever for half the price and still have a totally functional email/web/MSN/Jukebox/wordprocesor machine. I started coming around to this idea the day that I noticed that my PC is too slow to run the latest games at optimal quality, yet I can have enough windows open to fill two monitors worth of screen real estate and never go over 40% processor use. My general purpose machine is so good at everything except for the latest games that it’s going to be very hard for me to justify buying a new one when I can just get a new Xbox or whatever for half the price and still have a totally functional email/web/MSN/Jukebox/wordprocesor machine.

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By: peterb http://tleaves.com/2005/12/20/the-pc-is-dead-long-live-the-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-2242 peterb Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:56:47 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=529#comment-2242 "Having a special purpose device for everything is extremely wasteful." This assumes there is no intrinsic value in such special purpose devices, which I think isn't true. If nothing else, the user interface on special purpose devices can be easy enough for anyone to use. When one claims that using a tivo instead of a computer as a PVR is "more expensive", remember to factor in the emotional and time cost of tech support calls from your mom every time she wants to tape "desperate housewives" but can't figure out how. “Having a special purpose device for everything is extremely wasteful.”

This assumes there is no intrinsic value in such special purpose devices, which I think isn’t true. If nothing else, the user interface on special purpose devices can be easy enough for anyone to use.

When one claims that using a tivo instead of a computer as a PVR is “more expensive”, remember to factor in the emotional and time cost of tech support calls from your mom every time she wants to tape “desperate housewives” but can’t figure out how.

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By: psu http://tleaves.com/2005/12/20/the-pc-is-dead-long-live-the-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-2241 psu Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:35:26 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=529#comment-2241 I use Macs, and I think they are great, but they are still too complicated and overpowered for what most people need. I will admit that my "one machine for writing and one machine for surfing and one machine for music" is not really the ideal scenario. The truth is that the form of the simpler machines will be driven by the applications that people want for them. It's not likely that said applications will break down along the same lines as current productivity applications. As it is now, media applications and gaming are already starting to split off (tivo and xbox) into more effective "single application boxes". I was just brainstorming about how this evolution might continue. I find it interesting that Robert brings up the fact that not tinkering with the machine helps it stay stable. The logical conclusion of this is to make the machine untinkerable. Which is exactly what I was talking about. When you think about it, one of the big reasons why the Apple machines stay more stable for people (although this is not universally true, I think) is because they are less tinkerable, not because Apple has some kind of engineering genius that evades Microsoft. I use Macs, and I think they are great, but they are still too complicated and overpowered for what most people need.

I will admit that my “one machine for writing and one machine for surfing and one machine for music” is not really the ideal scenario. The truth is that the form of the simpler machines will be driven by the applications that people want for them. It’s not likely that said applications will break down along the same lines as current productivity applications.

As it is now, media applications and gaming are already starting to split off (tivo and xbox) into more effective “single application boxes”. I was just brainstorming about how this evolution might continue.

I find it interesting that Robert brings up the fact that not tinkering with the machine helps it stay stable. The logical conclusion of this is to make the machine untinkerable. Which is exactly what I was talking about.

When you think about it, one of the big reasons why the Apple machines stay more stable for people (although this is not universally true, I think) is because they are less tinkerable, not because Apple has some kind of engineering genius that evades Microsoft.

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By: Robert 'Groby' Blum http://tleaves.com/2005/12/20/the-pc-is-dead-long-live-the-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-2240 Robert 'Groby' Blum Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:55:01 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=529#comment-2240 If you don't mind, I'd rather dare to dream of a world were proper engineering is not undercut by cost savings from the corporate side... Having a special purpose device for everything is extremely wasteful - something we can hardly afford in a world were resources are unequally distributed and becoming scarcer. And there's no technical reason for PCs to be as bad as they are. Counterexample: The Mac. Plain works. I'm on a Apple laptop for three years now, and I had two crashes. That's it. It's just that they spend a lot of time making sure it works and is easy to use. (NB: If you don't modify the heck out of your PC it has a much better chance of working, too. So maybe the thing to blame is our incessant need for the latest and greatest toys, no?) If you don’t mind, I’d rather dare to dream of a world were proper engineering is not undercut by cost savings from the corporate side…

Having a special purpose device for everything is extremely wasteful – something we can hardly afford in a world were resources are unequally distributed and becoming scarcer.

And there’s no technical reason for PCs to be as bad as they are. Counterexample: The Mac. Plain works. I’m on a Apple laptop for three years now, and I had two crashes. That’s it. It’s just that they spend a lot of time making sure it works and is easy to use.

(NB: If you don’t modify the heck out of your PC it has a much better chance of working, too. So maybe the thing to blame is our incessant need for the latest and greatest toys, no?)

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