Comments on: Ferris Bueller's Day Offing Himself http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/persona-3-hentai/ Creativity x Technology Sat, 17 Mar 2012 05:09:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: peterb http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/persona-3-hentai/comment-page-3/#comment-4347 peterb Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:05:37 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/falls-the-shadow/#comment-4347 The day I take writing advice from someone sufficiently ignorant to say "less the review seem bias" is the day I imitate the characters in Persona 3. And with that, and over 100 comments (!), this thread is closed. The day I take writing advice from someone sufficiently ignorant to say “less the review seem bias” is the day I imitate the characters in Persona 3.

And with that, and over 100 comments (!), this thread is closed.

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By: Francisco http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/persona-3-hentai/comment-page-2/#comment-4346 Francisco Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:20:09 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/falls-the-shadow/#comment-4346 I think the author of 97 is more biased than he lets know. I think the author of 97 is more biased than he lets know.

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By: kosak http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/persona-3-hentai/comment-page-2/#comment-4345 kosak Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:13:10 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/falls-the-shadow/#comment-4345 Committing suicide is so gay. Committing suicide is so gay.

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By: psu http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/persona-3-hentai/comment-page-2/#comment-4344 psu Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:08:04 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/falls-the-shadow/#comment-4344 You are right. It would be unseemly to let informed opinion enter into the game review process. Game reviews are much better if they are just checklists with numbers between 1 and 5 after each item. After all, you can't let subjective opinion leak into critical writing. No one has ever done that before. You are right. It would be unseemly to let informed opinion enter into the game review process. Game reviews are much better if they are just checklists with numbers between 1 and 5 after each item. After all, you can’t let subjective opinion leak into critical writing. No one has ever done that before.

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By: that other guy http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/persona-3-hentai/comment-page-2/#comment-4343 that other guy Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:37:14 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/falls-the-shadow/#comment-4343 Like the guy above me I don't want to get heavily involved either, but I do have a request. I would prefer that something like this be divided into two articles or at least have a clear distinction between points. At some points you're definitely reviewing game mechanics (e.g. save points), but in the middle you start to group the game review with your own opinion of the game's ethics. I don't have a problem with you not liking the game's ideology, but would prefer that the review and critique remain separate less the review seem bias. Like the guy above me I don’t want to get heavily involved either, but I do have a request. I would prefer that something like this be divided into two articles or at least have a clear distinction between points. At some points you’re definitely reviewing game mechanics (e.g. save points), but in the middle you start to group the game review with your own opinion of the game’s ethics. I don’t have a problem with you not liking the game’s ideology, but would prefer that the review and critique remain separate less the review seem bias.

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By: passerby http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/persona-3-hentai/comment-page-2/#comment-4342 passerby Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:19:13 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/falls-the-shadow/#comment-4342 I don't really want to get too involved in this but felt I should point out that Fuuka gets the ability to instantly warp you back to the entrance in Tartarus. I don’t really want to get too involved in this but felt I should point out that Fuuka gets the ability to instantly warp you back to the entrance in Tartarus.

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By: peterb http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/persona-3-hentai/comment-page-2/#comment-4341 peterb Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:53:33 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/falls-the-shadow/#comment-4341 Gosh, I don't know how I could have thought that suicide was a theme of the game when multiple people in the game committed suicide and the entire combat mechanic involves watching people put magic gun-shaped tokens up to their head and pulling the triggers. Thinking that that imagery was evocative or suggestive of suicide? That's crazy talk! "How many people come home from school or work and play a RPG, no ANY game for FIVE minutes, and then turn off the console for the rest of the day? " Today's exam contains a math word puzzle. Quentin comes home from a hard day at the steel mill. Wanting to enjoy a videogame, Quentin turns on his new favorite RPG, Wankona 3: Shin Megami Lain, which involves defending the honor of your favorite game on the Internet. Shin Megami Lain only lets you save when you reach or return to certain points, which happen about every 15 minutes. Quentin plays Shin Megami Lain for 62 minutes. During the 67th minute Quentin starts to get a little bored of the game, and wants to stop. But since he has just found a new magic item (the Quiver of Infinite Wanky Replies), he doesn't want to just turn off his console and lose the last 7 minutes of gameplay. How many more minutes must Quentin continue playing Shin Megami Lain for before he can finally turn off the console? Note that if anything, I've probably <em>understated</em> the complete awfulness of Persona 3's save system. If I recall correctly, when you're in the tower, you can only save by going back to the ground floor, but you can only teleport back to <em>some of</em> the tower floors, every 5 floors or so. So if we assume that it takes about 10 minutes to clear a floor (probably that estimate is a bit low, based on how long combat takes), then the player is actually actively punished for saving the game, since to get back to (roughly) where they were, they'll likely have to fight through several lower floors. Sure hope there are never any power outages where you live. "And saying that the opening theme romanticizes suicide is practically a insult to the entire development team for that video." I'm sorry that my writing was so poor that you thought it was only <em>practically</em> an insult. Let me try again: the people who designed that video were bad people, and I think they should feel ashamed. Gosh, I don’t know how I could have thought that suicide was a theme of the game when multiple people in the game committed suicide and the entire combat mechanic involves watching people put magic gun-shaped tokens up to their head and pulling the triggers. Thinking that that imagery was evocative or suggestive of suicide? That’s crazy talk!

“How many people come home from school or work and play a RPG, no ANY game for FIVE minutes, and then turn off the console for the rest of the day? ”

Today’s exam contains a math word puzzle.

Quentin comes home from a hard day at the steel mill. Wanting to enjoy a videogame, Quentin turns on his new favorite RPG, Wankona 3: Shin Megami Lain, which involves defending the honor of your favorite game on the Internet. Shin Megami Lain only lets you save when you reach or return to certain points, which happen about every 15 minutes. Quentin plays Shin Megami Lain for 62 minutes. During the 67th minute Quentin starts to get a little bored of the game, and wants to stop. But since he has just found a new magic item (the Quiver of Infinite Wanky Replies), he doesn’t want to just turn off his console and lose the last 7 minutes of gameplay. How many more minutes must Quentin continue playing Shin Megami Lain for before he can finally turn off the console?

Note that if anything, I’ve probably understated the complete awfulness of Persona 3′s save system. If I recall correctly, when you’re in the tower, you can only save by going back to the ground floor, but you can only teleport back to some of the tower floors, every 5 floors or so. So if we assume that it takes about 10 minutes to clear a floor (probably that estimate is a bit low, based on how long combat takes), then the player is actually actively punished for saving the game, since to get back to (roughly) where they were, they’ll likely have to fight through several lower floors.

Sure hope there are never any power outages where you live.

“And saying that the opening theme romanticizes suicide is practically a insult to the entire development team for that video.”

I’m sorry that my writing was so poor that you thought it was only practically an insult. Let me try again: the people who designed that video were bad people, and I think they should feel ashamed.

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By: Omen47 http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/persona-3-hentai/comment-page-2/#comment-4340 Omen47 Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:06:43 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/falls-the-shadow/#comment-4340 First of all, I disagree with you saying that suicide is a theme. Only TWO people even committed suicide; and they were criminals! The evokers used by the protagonists aren't even loaded; it's the thought of a putting a gun to the head along with the sound that are meant to create a traumatizing enough experience to hence, evoke, the persona. And saying that the opening theme romanticizes suicide is practically a insult to the entire development team for that video. It says in bright red MEMENTO MORI, and even if you didn't know what that means (which is pretty ignorant) it translates it into several languages, including English! As for the save points; the only time it even takes long are plot dialogue areas that might have a boss somewhere in the middle, and if you can't beat the boss it's your fault for being a crap level. Plus, judging by the fact you get upset over 15 min. is pretty shallow. How many people come home from school or work and play a RPG, no ANY game for FIVE minutes, and then turn off the console for the rest of the day? You might as well not even play the game! I respect your right to express yourself and your views however you want on the internet, but if you're not even going to finish the game before writing a review, regardless of it being positive or negative, let the people at IGN and Gamespot do their job. First of all, I disagree with you saying that suicide is a theme. Only TWO people even committed suicide; and they were criminals! The evokers used by the protagonists aren’t even loaded; it’s the thought of a putting a gun to the head along with the sound that are meant to create a traumatizing enough experience to hence, evoke, the persona. And saying that the opening theme romanticizes suicide is practically a insult to the entire development team for that video. It says in bright red MEMENTO MORI, and even if you didn’t know what that means (which is pretty ignorant) it translates it into several languages, including English! As for the save points; the only time it even takes long are plot dialogue areas that might have a boss somewhere in the middle, and if you can’t beat the boss it’s your fault for being a crap level. Plus, judging by the fact you get upset over 15 min. is pretty shallow. How many people come home from school or work and play a RPG, no ANY game for FIVE minutes, and then turn off the console for the rest of the day? You might as well not even play the game! I respect your right to express yourself and your views however you want on the internet, but if you’re not even going to finish the game before writing a review, regardless of it being positive or negative, let the people at IGN and Gamespot do their job.

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By: Chiu http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/persona-3-hentai/comment-page-2/#comment-4333 Chiu Wed, 28 May 2008 04:29:47 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/falls-the-shadow/#comment-4333 Eh. I just don't think he fully played the game at the time of the review, or had the capacity to even understand the concepts of the plot. And the hentai thing is completely random. There's hentai about EVERYTHING. Rule 34. It's not just japanese stuff. It's everywhere. Anyone can draw it. Although the dialogue and other tedious concepts were irritating, and the fact that you are ONLY IN CONTROL OF ONE CHARACTER are bad points for this game, it's still a solid and fun RPG--- The awards and ratings have proved it. And bashing something only on the basis of them shooting themselves in the head with FAKE guns isn't really logical. There's no gore when they do it. They don't die when they do it. It's not even suicidal. Sure, some lunatic might get the impression that by shooting themselves in the head with a ammo-less fake gun that can't even kill (It's stated that the Evoker is NOT a weapon). Now, I haven't completely beaten the game, (because I got it late--- My friend reccomended it.) and the fact that I don't devote all of my time to playing it, I don't fully know if suicide does happen. But, I honestly don't think the audience of the this game would go and kill themselves over it. By now, someone would have, and we would've heard about it on the internets. It is really tedious, however, and I understand what you say about saving. Sometimes, you spend so much time going through dialogue, you can't save when you really need too. Persona 4 is coming out--- They use glasses for something this time, and it's a murder-mystery style... So, got any objections to that? I bet in your review, Martha Stewart is going to be used. I predict it. But, yeah. If you've played a Persona game, it's heavily occult, and it has a great style that appeals to people. If Persona 2 was more widely accessible, (I have it downloaded...)it'd be controversial too. It seems like it would be more of your type, however, seeing as you can save anywhere. Persona 3 was a great game, but it had tons of room for improvement. Cut out the meaningless dialouge, and add in more story. I'm still skipping through the talking to progress in the story. Tartarus is annoying, as well. I can't stand random dungeons. I think you've done a good job defending yourself, and your views, and I think the opposition has been great, too. You don't really apprieciate a game until someone talks smack about it. -Chiu Eh. I just don’t think he fully played the game at the time of the review, or had the capacity to even understand the concepts of the plot. And the hentai thing is completely random. There’s hentai about EVERYTHING. Rule 34. It’s not just japanese stuff. It’s everywhere. Anyone can draw it. Although the dialogue and other tedious concepts were irritating, and the fact that you are ONLY IN CONTROL OF ONE CHARACTER are bad points for this game, it’s still a solid and fun RPG— The awards and ratings have proved it. And bashing something only on the basis of them shooting themselves in the head with FAKE guns isn’t really logical.

There’s no gore when they do it. They don’t die when they do it. It’s not even suicidal. Sure, some lunatic might get the impression that by shooting themselves in the head with a ammo-less fake gun that can’t even kill (It’s stated that the Evoker is NOT a weapon). Now, I haven’t completely beaten the game, (because I got it late— My friend reccomended it.) and the fact that I don’t devote all of my time to playing it, I don’t fully know if suicide does happen.

But, I honestly don’t think the audience of the this game would go and kill themselves over it. By now, someone would have, and we would’ve heard about it on the internets.

It is really tedious, however, and I understand what you say about saving. Sometimes, you spend so much time going through dialogue, you can’t save when you really need too. Persona 4 is coming out— They use glasses for something this time, and it’s a murder-mystery style… So, got any objections to that? I bet in your review, Martha Stewart is going to be used. I predict it.

But, yeah. If you’ve played a Persona game, it’s heavily occult, and it has a great style that appeals to people. If Persona 2 was more widely accessible, (I have it downloaded…)it’d be controversial too. It seems like it would be more of your type, however, seeing as you can save anywhere.

Persona 3 was a great game, but it had tons of room for improvement. Cut out the meaningless dialouge, and add in more story. I’m still skipping through the talking to progress in the story. Tartarus is annoying, as well. I can’t stand random dungeons.

I think you’ve done a good job defending yourself, and your views, and I think the opposition has been great, too. You don’t really apprieciate a game until someone talks smack about it.

-Chiu

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By: Pie Lover http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/persona-3-hentai/comment-page-2/#comment-4324 Pie Lover Tue, 27 May 2008 21:46:26 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/09/25/falls-the-shadow/#comment-4324 I like pie. <small>Note: This comment has been edited by the site owners to completely change its meaning. -The Management.</small> I like pie.

Note: This comment has been edited by the site owners to completely change its meaning. -The Management.

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