Comments on: What Comes Around http://tleaves.com/2009/10/13/what-comes-around/ Creativity x Technology Sat, 17 Mar 2012 05:09:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Benoit http://tleaves.com/2009/10/13/what-comes-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5546 Benoit Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:17:22 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2280#comment-5546 Tigris & Euphrates is a war game you might like. Tigris & Euphrates is a war game you might like.

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By: Scott R. Krol http://tleaves.com/2009/10/13/what-comes-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5547 Scott R. Krol Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:08:44 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2280#comment-5547 Get both. But if you're trying to restrict space or have financial considerations here's a breakdown between the two... Scale wise CoH is bigger than CCE. CCE's scenarios play out on small maps, in close quarters, while CoH can take place across several maps. Counter density is also much higher than CCE. CCE only has infantry. CoH includes all the usual suspects: infantry, guns, armor, half-tracks, aircraft. For some folks this is the biggest selling point when choosing between the two games: heavy metal. Both CCE and CoH are series games, but CCE (at the moment) will end up setting you back more if you get everything. There's a North Africa set, a Pacific set, smaller sets for airborne and Russia, etc. CoH currently has two games. Additionally, CCE titles are not standalone while CoH titles are. Production-wise both look good, though I give an edge to CoH with its thick counters, although I will admit I'm not a big fan of using photos of painted miniatures for counter art, although overall they don't look bad. CCE pretty much resembles your bog-standard ASL-clone. In the gameplay department both are about the same complexity, although CoH is probably a tad easier simply because it uses a fairly basic system of mechanics that are familiar. Movement points, rolling dice and adding them to your stats for combat, action points to activate units. CCE uses NO dice. Only cards. The timing of cards can get tricky, as you and your opponent are flipping cards to perform an action, then cards get flipped in response, and so on. It can be a little squirrely at times. Of course, there is also Tide of Iron, which is another tactical game of low complexity that is pretty good... Get both. But if you’re trying to restrict space or have financial considerations here’s a breakdown between the two…

Scale wise CoH is bigger than CCE. CCE’s scenarios play out on small maps, in close quarters, while CoH can take place across several maps. Counter density is also much higher than CCE.

CCE only has infantry. CoH includes all the usual suspects: infantry, guns, armor, half-tracks, aircraft. For some folks this is the biggest selling point when choosing between the two games: heavy metal.

Both CCE and CoH are series games, but CCE (at the moment) will end up setting you back more if you get everything. There’s a North Africa set, a Pacific set, smaller sets for airborne and Russia, etc. CoH currently has two games. Additionally, CCE titles are not standalone while CoH titles are.

Production-wise both look good, though I give an edge to CoH with its thick counters, although I will admit I’m not a big fan of using photos of painted miniatures for counter art, although overall they don’t look bad. CCE pretty much resembles your bog-standard ASL-clone.

In the gameplay department both are about the same complexity, although CoH is probably a tad easier simply because it uses a fairly basic system of mechanics that are familiar. Movement points, rolling dice and adding them to your stats for combat, action points to activate units. CCE uses NO dice. Only cards. The timing of cards can get tricky, as you and your opponent are flipping cards to perform an action, then cards get flipped in response, and so on. It can be a little squirrely at times.

Of course, there is also Tide of Iron, which is another tactical game of low complexity that is pretty good…

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By: peterb http://tleaves.com/2009/10/13/what-comes-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5556 peterb Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:47:53 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2280#comment-5556 I'm considering "Conflict of Heroes" instead of Combat Commander. Any thoughts about that? I’m considering “Conflict of Heroes” instead of Combat Commander. Any thoughts about that?

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By: Jon F http://tleaves.com/2009/10/13/what-comes-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5555 Jon F Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:13:27 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2280#comment-5555 Didn't you hear? Both of my startups folded. I'm currently job searching. However, there's still zero chance I will ever again live where it snows, so you're still out of luck. Also, even at the time I played, ASL development had already been overrun by the crowd who felt that combined arms action wasn't good enough unless every fricken tank in the entire war had a separate counter. The real problem with ASL is that it's only slightly more complex than Magic: The Gathering except that the pieces don't have room to put their special rules on, so you have to carry around two ringbinders to look up what they would say if they had the space. The correct answer is Combat Commander: Europe. Didn’t you hear? Both of my startups folded. I’m currently job searching. However, there’s still zero chance I will ever again live where it snows, so you’re still out of luck.

Also, even at the time I played, ASL development had already been overrun by the crowd who felt that combined arms action wasn’t good enough unless every fricken tank in the entire war had a separate counter. The real problem with ASL is that it’s only slightly more complex than Magic: The Gathering except that the pieces don’t have room to put their special rules on, so you have to carry around two ringbinders to look up what they would say if they had the space.

The correct answer is Combat Commander: Europe.

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By: Kerrie http://tleaves.com/2009/10/13/what-comes-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5554 Kerrie Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:32:32 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2280#comment-5554 sigh... miss Jon's endless supply of games and willingness to haul them around to our various game days. sigh. I wanna play Groo & drink good beer & not lose too badly. Keep working on ruining his life & making him return to Pittsburgh. sigh… miss Jon’s endless supply of games and willingness to haul them around to our various game days. sigh. I wanna play Groo & drink good beer & not lose too badly. Keep working on ruining his life & making him return to Pittsburgh.

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By: Jason http://tleaves.com/2009/10/13/what-comes-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5553 Jason Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:46:32 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2280#comment-5553 Move to Boston. I can be your hookup. I'm having the same issue currently with Warmachine/Hordes. I know I'd never find time to assemble and paint all the figures, or find people to play with, or want to spend the stupid sums of money required, but for a while now I haven't been able to get werewolves vs. magical steam mechs out of my head. Move to Boston. I can be your hookup.

I’m having the same issue currently with Warmachine/Hordes. I know I’d never find time to assemble and paint all the figures, or find people to play with, or want to spend the stupid sums of money required, but for a while now I haven’t been able to get werewolves vs. magical steam mechs out of my head.

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By: Andy P http://tleaves.com/2009/10/13/what-comes-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5552 Andy P Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:40:17 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2280#comment-5552 That Memoir '44 review is frightening. "I'm a hardcore wargamer. I don't like this game about war. Therefore it is not a wargame (despite being a game about war)". Note to self: never play any games that guy likes... That Memoir ’44 review is frightening. “I’m a hardcore wargamer. I don’t like this game about war. Therefore it is not a wargame (despite being a game about war)”.

Note to self: never play any games that guy likes…

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By: Jonathan Perret http://tleaves.com/2009/10/13/what-comes-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5551 Jonathan Perret Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:45:21 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2280#comment-5551 What we've got here is a ludothèque - think of a public library where books are replaced with board games. Of course it's also a great place to meet other dorks^H^H^H^H^Hplayers. Who knows, you might be able to find somesuch in Pittsburgh ? In any case, you could always come take a look next time you're in Paris. Cheers, --Jonathan What we’ve got here is a ludothèque – think of a public library where books are replaced with board games. Of course it’s also a great place to meet other dorks^H^H^H^H^Hplayers.
Who knows, you might be able to find somesuch in Pittsburgh ?
In any case, you could always come take a look next time you’re in Paris.
Cheers,
–Jonathan

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By: peterb http://tleaves.com/2009/10/13/what-comes-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5550 peterb Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:56:43 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2280#comment-5550 <img src="http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2001/20011026h.gif"/>

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By: psu http://tleaves.com/2009/10/13/what-comes-around/comment-page-1/#comment-5549 psu Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:55:36 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2280#comment-5549 Can I play these on my Xbox or do I need to buy a new computer? Where can I get Madden? Can I play these on my Xbox or do I need to buy a new computer? Where can I get Madden?

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