Comments on: Crossing the Chasm http://tleaves.com/2010/11/23/crossing-the-chasm/ Creativity x Technology Sat, 17 Mar 2012 05:09:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: psu http://tleaves.com/2010/11/23/crossing-the-chasm/comment-page-1/#comment-7995 psu Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:33:17 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2489#comment-7995 I think we can all agree that Cory Doctorow is a self-centered moron. I think we can all agree that Cory Doctorow is a self-centered moron.

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By: Thomas http://tleaves.com/2010/11/23/crossing-the-chasm/comment-page-1/#comment-7994 Thomas Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:32:04 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2489#comment-7994 I'll leave the substantive response on M0. I'll just say that I think it's funny that in our simultaneous responses on our respective sites, when we both went looking for an example of FSF extremism, we both landed on Cory Doctorow. I’ll leave the substantive response on M0. I’ll just say that I think it’s funny that in our simultaneous responses on our respective sites, when we both went looking for an example of FSF extremism, we both landed on Cory Doctorow.

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By: peterb http://tleaves.com/2010/11/23/crossing-the-chasm/comment-page-1/#comment-7993 peterb Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:10:08 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2489#comment-7993 Jane, you ignorant...! (I'm kidding. I'M KIDDING). Duplicating effort, as you say: perhaps I'm just overly touchy about this topic, but the particular paragraph in your post that motivated me to reply was: <blockquote>It's hopelessly reductionist, of course, to say that consoles cause the digital divide, or that they're even a major causal factor compared to problems of poverty, lack of role models, and education. But I think it's hard to argue that the console model--locked-down, walled-garden systems running single-purpose code--doesn't contribute to the problem. And it's worrisome that the big new computing paradigm (mobile) seems determined to follow the console path. </blockquote> I assumed, from your article, that that was your worry, not Latoya's. If I'm misunderstanding, please let me know. I guess I don't see why it's worrisome at all, and my article is an attempt to articulate why I feel strongly about that. I see technology as <em>enabling</em> people to do things they couldn't do before. I frequently read and hear statements people who don't actually care about the end user suggesting that tinkering should be prioritized over actually enabling the customer (see: Cory Doctorow). I feel that that attitude is reactionary, elitist, and harmful, and it makes me react strongly. I apologize if I came off as overly strident. I also apologize for comparing you to Cory Doctorow. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Jane, you ignorant…!

(I’m kidding. I’M KIDDING).

Duplicating effort, as you say: perhaps I’m just overly touchy about this topic, but the particular paragraph in your post that motivated me to reply was:

It’s hopelessly reductionist, of course, to say that consoles cause the digital divide, or that they’re even a major causal factor compared to problems of poverty, lack of role models, and education. But I think it’s hard to argue that the console model–locked-down, walled-garden systems running single-purpose code–doesn’t contribute to the problem. And it’s worrisome that the big new computing paradigm (mobile) seems determined to follow the console path.

I assumed, from your article, that that was your worry, not Latoya’s. If I’m misunderstanding, please let me know. I guess I don’t see why it’s worrisome at all, and my article is an attempt to articulate why I feel strongly about that. I see technology as enabling people to do things they couldn’t do before. I frequently read and hear statements people who don’t actually care about the end user suggesting that tinkering should be prioritized over actually enabling the customer (see: Cory Doctorow). I feel that that attitude is reactionary, elitist, and harmful, and it makes me react strongly.

I apologize if I came off as overly strident. I also apologize for comparing you to Cory Doctorow. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

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By: Thomas http://tleaves.com/2010/11/23/crossing-the-chasm/comment-page-1/#comment-7990 Thomas Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:01:57 +0000 http://tleaves.com/?p=2489#comment-7990 And since I guess we're duplicating effort today, I'll restate my comment here: I don't know whose post you're responding to, but it's certainly not mine. I have made few, if any, of the arguments you've attributed to me, and so I don't quite know how to respond. I'm open to criticism of the actual post I wrote, because I think reasonable people could certainly disagree with it. You're a smart person, and I value your opinion. I feel a little blindsided, actually. That said, I always feel like it's unwise to immediately blame the reader or play the victim when blogging. Miscommunication would be my fault first. So I apologize if I didn't make the scope of my thoughts quite clear enough, and left you with the impression that I was either arguing for A) some sort of RMS-idealized prioritization of openness or B) that everyone should be a programmer. That wasn't my goal at all. And since I guess we’re duplicating effort today, I’ll restate my comment here: I don’t know whose post you’re responding to, but it’s certainly not mine. I have made few, if any, of the arguments you’ve attributed to me, and so I don’t quite know how to respond.

I’m open to criticism of the actual post I wrote, because I think reasonable people could certainly disagree with it. You’re a smart person, and I value your opinion. I feel a little blindsided, actually.

That said, I always feel like it’s unwise to immediately blame the reader or play the victim when blogging. Miscommunication would be my fault first. So I apologize if I didn’t make the scope of my thoughts quite clear enough, and left you with the impression that I was either arguing for A) some sort of RMS-idealized prioritization of openness or B) that everyone should be a programmer. That wasn’t my goal at all.

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