Comments on: Internet Forum People: A Taxonomy http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/ Creativity x Technology Sat, 17 Mar 2012 05:09:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jukka http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-4503 Jukka Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:04:50 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/#comment-4503 And then there are the Finns who gingerly post something and immediately think, "I wonder what they think of me now?". And then there are the Finns who gingerly post something and immediately think, “I wonder what they think of me now?”.

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By: pvg[knows it all] http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-4494 pvg[knows it all] Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:08:40 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/#comment-4494 I'm surprised the exhaustive prior art hasn't come up yet - http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/ I’m surprised the exhaustive prior art hasn’t come up yet -

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/

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By: Will http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-4502 Will Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:59:49 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/#comment-4502 Here are a couple of other types that I think constitute a smaller, but real, sub-section of intertubery. 1. The American Remonstrator - This person, usually, but not always, a non-American. He is greatly annoyed and offended by America, Americans and everything about the USA and its citizens. Sometimes he has a real beef, or a valid point, but that is really secondary to his main aim, which is to assert his own superiority by constantly deriding others. The USA as a powerful, and at the moment, violently inept county, is a perfectly safe target. Most non-Americans and a goodly number of Americans will agree either enthusiastically or ruefully, with whatever attack the American Remonstrator makes. The Remonstrator often belongs to the "Know It All" category. Which you would have known if you hadn't gotten such an inferior education in the American school system. 2. Captain America - This USA patriot actor violently disagrees with The American Remonstrator. He's prolific, tireless, verbose and insane. Any criticism, no matter how well-grounded, is in the end met with "We saved your ass, you craven surrender monkey." or "Shut up! We could SO nuke you." Captain America makes it impossible for others to respond to the American Remonstrator in a calm and rational way, since Cpt. America proves the Remonstrator's point for him most of the time. Cpt. America is usually a subset of "Persecuted Idiot" or "Can't Let Go". 3. The Loveless Misogynist/The Braggart Misogynist - Crowbars vile descriptions, epithets and unlikely sexual acts and conquests into any conversation. This person is usually a teen covering their abject fear of females with truly repulsive porn-informed language. Sometimes, though, you get a sense that some aren't, in fact, lonely porn-obsessed teens, but lonely porn-obsessed adults. These people are sort of scary and best avoided. He's also usually a douchebag. 4. The Troll - The troll doesn't really have any opinions. He just wants to wind people up and get them upset. He loves flame wars and people leaving in a huff. He'll say anything at all to achieve that, often changing his position to insure maximum unpleasantness. Here are a couple of other types that I think constitute a smaller, but real, sub-section of intertubery.

1. The American Remonstrator – This person, usually, but not always, a non-American. He is greatly annoyed and offended by America, Americans and everything about the USA and its citizens.

Sometimes he has a real beef, or a valid point, but that is really secondary to his main aim, which is to assert his own superiority by constantly deriding others. The USA as a powerful, and at the moment, violently inept county, is a perfectly safe target. Most non-Americans and a goodly number of Americans will agree either enthusiastically or ruefully, with whatever attack the American Remonstrator makes.

The Remonstrator often belongs to the “Know It All” category. Which you would have known if you hadn’t gotten such an inferior education in the American school system.

2. Captain America – This USA patriot actor violently disagrees with The American Remonstrator. He’s prolific, tireless, verbose and insane. Any criticism, no matter how well-grounded, is in the end met with “We saved your ass, you craven surrender monkey.” or “Shut up! We could SO nuke you.”

Captain America makes it impossible for others to respond to the American Remonstrator in a calm and rational way, since Cpt. America proves the Remonstrator’s point for him most of the time.

Cpt. America is usually a subset of “Persecuted Idiot” or “Can’t Let Go”.

3. The Loveless Misogynist/The Braggart Misogynist – Crowbars vile descriptions, epithets and unlikely sexual acts and conquests into any conversation. This person is usually a teen covering their abject fear of females with truly repulsive porn-informed language. Sometimes, though, you get a sense that some aren’t, in fact, lonely porn-obsessed teens, but lonely porn-obsessed adults. These people are sort of scary and best avoided.

He’s also usually a douchebag.

4. The Troll – The troll doesn’t really have any opinions. He just wants to wind people up and get them upset. He loves flame wars and people leaving in a huff. He’ll say anything at all to achieve that, often changing his position to insure maximum unpleasantness.

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By: peterb http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-4497 peterb Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:47:50 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/#comment-4497 > I can’t believe you forgot the type of person who, despite managing to be an > American adult, gets every single possible rule of grammar wrong and has yet to > spell a single word correctly. The more illegible they are, the more frequently > they post, too. The problem with mocking those people is that Murphy guarantees that in your paragraph mocking them, you will inadvertently misspell a word. It's a law of the universe. > I can’t believe you forgot the type of person who, despite managing to be an
> American adult, gets every single possible rule of grammar wrong and has yet to
> spell a single word correctly. The more illegible they are, the more frequently
> they post, too.

The problem with mocking those people is that Murphy guarantees that in your paragraph mocking them, you will inadvertently misspell a word. It’s a law of the universe.

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By: psu http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-4496 psu Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:22:13 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/#comment-4496 trn could do what it did because had perfect local state on what the user had actually read and not read in the message feed. This is admittedly more difficult to pull off in the web world, but the servers that are running the forum software are also 10,000 times more powerful than what we had in the 80s, so it seems like it ought to be possible. trn could do what it did because had perfect local state on what the user had actually read and not read in the message feed. This is admittedly more difficult to pull off in the web world, but the servers that are running the forum software are also 10,000 times more powerful than what we had in the 80s, so it seems like it ought to be possible.

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By: Adam http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-4495 Adam Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:13:09 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/#comment-4495 I can't believe you forgot the type of person who, despite managing to be an American adult, gets every single possible rule of grammar wrong and has yet to spell a single word correctly. The more illegible they are, the more frequently they post, too. I can’t believe you forgot the type of person who, despite managing to be an American adult, gets every single possible rule of grammar wrong and has yet to spell a single word correctly. The more illegible they are, the more frequently they post, too.

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By: Joshua Jaobsen http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-4491 Joshua Jaobsen Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:36:39 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/#comment-4491 I've programmed blogs and message bases for a social networking site (which basically failed, because there are already tons of them, and mine wasn't particularly compelling). When I was developing it, I was really unhappy with the message board issues you describe. If you show the threading, it's hard to display the chronology of messages, and if you show chronology, the threading is irrevocably lost. I was trying to deal with organization, heirarchy, chronology, and automatically "ranking" (filtering / censoring) a poster's content depending on what a fuck-head he is, but... it all gets data heavy very quick and requires a lot of user tools and participation. In the end, I failed, then gave up and went to a flat chronological view. I intend to try harder next time, but... I agree with you. As a developer of such things, however, I haven't figured out how to solve the various message board problems. I also haven't seen a good implementation of a message board online. My exposure to usenet has always been through web sites that expose it (like google groups). Maybe I need to dig up tm and get some inspiration from the older tools. I’ve programmed blogs and message bases for a social networking site (which basically failed, because there are already tons of them, and mine wasn’t particularly compelling). When I was developing it, I was really unhappy with the message board issues you describe. If you show the threading, it’s hard to display the chronology of messages, and if you show chronology, the threading is irrevocably lost.

I was trying to deal with organization, heirarchy, chronology, and automatically “ranking” (filtering / censoring) a poster’s content depending on what a fuck-head he is, but… it all gets data heavy very quick and requires a lot of user tools and participation. In the end, I failed, then gave up and went to a flat chronological view.

I intend to try harder next time, but… I agree with you. As a developer of such things, however, I haven’t figured out how to solve the various message board problems. I also haven’t seen a good implementation of a message board online. My exposure to usenet has always been through web sites that expose it (like google groups). Maybe I need to dig up tm and get some inspiration from the older tools.

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By: todd underwood http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-4501 todd underwood Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:04:08 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/#comment-4501 i think you mispelled "intertubes". :-) i used to love trn. so sad that usenet is now just a way to distribute mostly copywritten, mostly porn video content. i think you mispelled “intertubes”. :-)

i used to love trn. so sad that usenet is now just a way to distribute mostly copywritten, mostly porn video content.

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By: peterb http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-4493 peterb Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:05:31 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/#comment-4493 Man, I miss trn. (Ironically, though, I don't miss Usenet.) Man, I miss trn.

(Ironically, though, I don’t miss Usenet.)

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By: psu http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-4492 psu Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:58:23 +0000 http://tleaves.com/2007/11/14/internet-forum-people-a-taxonomy/#comment-4492 My spell checker has failed me. But I fixed it anyway. Also, the tiny little "go to the first new message" buttons do not count as a decent interface because they are usually teeny weeny and hard to hit. It's obvious that the link to the thread should always just show me only new messages, and the tiny button should be for showing me all messages if I choose to later. My spell checker has failed me. But I fixed it anyway.

Also, the tiny little “go to the first new message” buttons do not count as a decent interface because they are usually teeny weeny and hard to hit.

It’s obvious that the link to the thread should always just show me only new messages, and the tiny button should be for showing me all messages if I choose to later.

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